ITP: Chinatits is a spoiled rich kid. Some thoughts on BAWWWji. Why everyone is so preoccupied with how to watch 00. Is it SRSBSNS? Is it full of bad writing? And why the fuck everyone cares so much about whether they should be enjoying the show rather than if they actually are enjoying it or not. Other things that I find annoying and haven’t had a chance to bitch about yet.
It’s probably a good idea to ignore everything past the bit on Saji, it’s all just incoherent bitching after that. Also SRS TL;DR.
Chinatits: Motivations and Why Shit’s Gonna Blow Up In Her Face
As usual for me, this is coming from a conversation on /m/. Some Anons were arguing about Wang’s motivations, in that she’s so young and doesn’t really know anything about the world and yet has this bizarre desire to change it by any means necessary. Her motivation is so painfully simple it’s easy to miss: she’s a spoiled rich kid.
The first point is that Wang is very young, even in S2 she’s only, what, 20? Young people are most prone to being idealistic dumbasses (Saji’s a contrasting example of the EXTREME MORALFAG, but more on that later). When you’re young you can put all your faith into stupid ideals that have little to no relation to the ‘real world’ because you know nothing about it (lol, I feel silly writing like this when I’m only 20 myself, but whatever) and consequently those ideals are paramount and much more possible theoretically (the only thing you have experience with) than in practice. The world doesn’t conform to Wang’s ideal of what it should be so she decides that it must be changed. Again, this sort of thinking is generally reserved to youth, you’re notably less likely to see someone in their 40s or even 30s holding such unrealistic beliefs, so rather than her age making the situation less believable, it’s more or less key to it.
Second point is that Wang is a wealthy brat. She probably has never had to work a day in her life and has likely never had to endure any real ‘hardship’ to get where she is (watch them drop some sappy backstory in an episode or two now). This not only exacerbates the idealistic youth problem (in a lot of ways, these type of people are never forced to grow up and/or confront the ‘real world’ so they don’t ever have to leave that mentality), but also gives her BORED RICH KID SYNDROME. What’s ‘bored rich kid syndrome’? Well, basically it’s a problem/pain-seeking drive that seems to plague children of well-to-do families. They don’t have to suffer in their life because their families are wealthy/etc and so they seek out suffering for some reason that I don’t entirely understand (but I am quite familiar with it, having spent 7 years of my middle-high school days in an expensive prep school–I like to think I never succumbed to bored-rich-kid-syndrome, but I’m biased, regardless I saw it happen a lot). Anyhow, Wang is bored and wealthy so rather than turning to the standard drugs/alcohol/ICUTMYSELF/etc bullshit that your standard rich latchkey kid does, she decides that LETS TRASH THE WHOLE GODDAMN WORLD, or whatever her goals are really (we know she wants to change the world, but to what end? I know she’s bullshitted that she doesn’t care how it changes as long as it changes but that’s bull and you know it).
Anyhow as for why she’s probably going to fuck up? Well, mostly it’s because of what she said about the Innovators this week. I think she’s sorely underestimating Ribbons and I get the impression that she doesn’t know who made Nena (namely, FUCKING RIBBONS). I seriously doubt he isn’t already aware of any threat Nena might pose to him and his fabulous posse of couch ornaments and how to combat it. Also, presently her goals and motives seem to be flimsy at best (unless she has a real aim in changing the world, but even then underestimating FUCKING RIBBONS is stupid).
Well… that was more tl;dr than I’d expected. This is going to be a loooonnng post, isn’t it?
BAWWWWji
First off, I really liked the speech Tieria gave him in 6 and I don’t know about everyone else, but, his crumpling to the floor and wailing was really quite satisfying to watch (CRY LIKE THE BITCH YOU ARE CRYYYYY). Anyhow, I don’t think he’s been unnecessary these last few episodes (and look on the bright side, they’re getting him out of the way early on). In a way I think he’s a nice counterpoint to Wang (both are selfish, idealistic youths). Unlike Wang, Saji is forced to confront the ‘real world’ head on (even though he still hasn’t really gotten there yet–I think it’s pretty realistic how he’s reacting, he just wants to go home and have everything return to normal and not be involved).
One thing that I’ve been seeing a lot is the idea that Saji, for all his bitching and everything, is selfish because he could have done something to help earlier. I think it’s rather unreasonable to say that he’s selfish for not having joined the resistance effort on his own earlier. I’m not saying he’s not selfish though–it’s his moralfaggotry that makes him selfish. He refuses to recognize his involvement in things (like what Tieria said to him this week: whether you like it or not you’re involved now, shitsux but you can’t go home) and insists on lecturing everyone else not because he’s genuinely opposed to what they’re doing, but because it’s their fault he can’t live his normal life anymore. Again, I think that’s a fairly natural line of thought to be perfectly honest (er.. the lecturing moralfag bit is a bit much I think, but he’s dealing with a lot of conflicting ideas and information–war/fighting is bad, but so is people being oppressed by the government, CB is bad because the media says so (rather, that’s the perspective he’s been presented with so it’s natural for him to have a very negative view of them), but they’re theoretically doing something good, the government might be doing bad things but they didn’t do anything to me… etc).
As for whether he’s going to pull the trigger. My first inclination was that he would, but when I think about it more, I have to go with that he won’t. Mostly because I’m hoping that Saji does manage to reconcile those ideas in that moment and realize that there are ways he can help without having to fight (I desperately don’t want to see him in combat because it’d be stupid, I’d love for him to become a reporter though, that’d be such a waste of backstory if they don’t do something with it). Also shooting down Louise would be kinda cliche and 00’s been pretty good at dodging explicit cliche’s without at least some sort of twist so I dunno. I’ve got faith in the team to deliver something good since so far whenever something’s sounded stupid they’ve pulled it off somehow.
“I can’t enjoy 00 because I’m too preoccupied with whether it’s good or not BAWWWWWWWWW”
Now, I’m not about to say 00’s above criticism, but seriously guys, why are you so stuck on whether you should be enjoying this or not or what other people are saying about the show? (I say this as I am explicitly addressing what other people are saying about the show, EXCELLENT!). I don’t know how much sense that sentence actually made, but I keep seeing people bitch about basically whether or not 00 is worth their time (is it ‘Gundam’ enough? is it special? is the writing bad? etc etc). Is it really that hard to figure out? If you’re enjoying it it’s worth your time, if you’re not it probably isn’t–SIMPLE.
But no, everyone’s too preoccupied with what everyone else is saying about it and whether they should feel like ‘wasting’ their time on the series or not based purely one either taking it far too seriously (Oooh I’m not gonna write about it on my blog anymore because discussions on animesuki aren’t constructive BAWWWWWWW–no one cares.) or whether the series conforms to their preconceived ideas about what a Gundam series should be (it’s not Gundam enough so it’s bad) and consequently bashing it to hell and back for really stupid things.
Er… I’m still not sure I’m actually making sense–bullet point time!
- No one cares if you watch it/blog about it or not, shut the fuck up already.
- Why does it matter if it’s not exactly like every other Gundam series before it? Isn’t that a good thing?
- Isn’t it more important whether you’re enjoying the series than if it’s accepted as good or not? (To clarify, I don’t think discussion of the series’ merits and shortcomings is problematic in the least, there’s just something about the attitude of the community at present that’s just so fucking uptight that they can’t enjoy something unless everyone agrees that it’s good or some other bullshit.)
Bah, I’m pretty sure that didn’t make any sense.
Dear /m/,
Bad writing =! The episode focused on characters I don’t like. (Not saying 00’s writing is spectacular or anything, but I haven’t read any even remotely convincing arguments that it’s especially bad which didn’t focus primarily on GOD SAJI IS STUPID STOP WASTING TIME ON THAT FUCK HES NOT IMPORTANT BAADD WRITING).
Stop saying Tieria’s the worst pilot of the Meisters unless you can actually give a reason for it (and no ‘he just sits there and beamspams’ is not a reason since that’s what his machine is designed to do you stupid fucks). I see it thrown around like fact a lot and it pisses me off (oh noes they’re insulting my favorite character!).
You’re not allowed to bitch about the dialect of netslang native to 4chan and subsequently /m/ (seriously, if you weren’t there when the whole ‘Vowels’ nickname started, you have two choices: 1) use it, 2) don’t–no bitching about how Tieria isn’t that hard to spell, it WAS hard to spell back then). If you can’t use it properly, use standard English instead. Trying to import foreign dialects is just gonna get you bitched at, especially if you’re DOING IT WRONG (I’m looking at you Anon pushing “HoYay” in /m/).
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Oh yeah, if I see one more person seriously say that Sumeragi deserves to be brutally murdered for what she “did” to Billy, I’m gonna RAGE like a motherfucker. The fuck is wrong with you people?
Alright, I’m done whining today.
… this is scary. And I wouldn’t call it ‘whining’. It’s a pure RAAAAGE.
But still… Good Haro’s RAAAAAAGE is kind of awesome.
I’d like to discuss some of these points with you, but I’m extremely sleepy (oh, hi, eurofag here) and just can’t think of anything clever atm. And that freaking language barrier isn’t helping either.
Sooo I’m just gonna make it quick – I totally agree with you. Seriously, you’re like a… /m/’s light at the end of the tunnel. Especially this ““I can’t enjoy 00 because I’m too preoccupied with whether it’s good or not BAWWWWWWWWW”” point is just perfect. What is with all those fags acting like a teenagers unsure whether liking a certain show will make them look ‘good’? Sometimes I wonder if they’re making all these “HURR DURR, 00 S2 SUCKS, THE WRITING IS BAD (BAD WRITING I SAID, DID YOU HEAR ME?!), CLIFFHANGERS ARE TERRIBLE, CAST IS FULL OF FAGS, 00 IS OVERPOWERED, SAJI CRIES TOO MUCH etc.” threads un purpose, just to see /m/’s reaction and conclude “oh, they’re raaaaging hard and are totally pissed off at me. I guess they really must like this show then, so it’s like… okay for me to enjoy it as well, right? RIGHT?”.
to be honest, I’d feel much better if it was the case, because I’m fed up with all those faggots who seem to forget that THE EASIEST WAY IS TO DROP THE GODDAMN SHOW IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT, FOR FUCK’S SAKE.
I’m so worn out and don’t even have any energy to rage at that discussion about Nena, Marina and ‘fucking fangirls’ (lolstereotypes) that is going on now on /m/.
Oh, and sorry for my engrish in this comment. Didn’t check before submiting, I hope you don’t mind.
By: crofesima on 2008/11/10
at 19:18
Haha, I’m glad someone understood that incoherent mess of a post!
/m/’s really tricky as far as trolls go. I think everyone just takes everything a tad too seriously sometimes so even non-troll posts illicit the same sort of response (I know I’m guilty of that sort of thing too). I hate coming of like some butthurt fantard who hates people criticizing their show, but it’s really just that it’s all this incoherent, profoundly judgemental and pretentious bullshit that’s really infuriating (i.e. the writing’s bad, I’m not going to give any evidence to back that up or explain why I feel that way but I’ll insult you if you try to defend the show and bitch about how much I hate Saji to make my point because it’s not an opinion, it’s a fact, and you should feel bad for enjoying such a shitty show).
Engrish/bad spelling/grammar/whatever = not a problem. I was typing all kinds of stupid yesterday, I totally understand.
By: citrinitas668 on 2008/11/10
at 19:42
A very strong and insightful post, and I completely agree. This post is a voice of reason, but I’m going to go out on a limb and say that if it looks like 00 is going to suffer a similar fate as Geass, that is, many vocal members of the community will one by one admit or realize that it is no longer enjoyable simply due to negativity and infighting in the fandom, please do not let that ruin it for you, and maintain the breezy and accessible style of writing you usually have. It’s something of a double-edged sword, since high-traffic blogs can either encourage people to see things more sensibly and get along, or make more people aware that there are problems in the fandom, hence disappointed and reluctant to get involved in it. Don’t censor yourself, but don’t let it make you depressed either.
By: Fang Wenlic on 2008/11/10
at 20:33
Thanks for the encouragement. I really don’t let it get to me, but occasionally bitching about it publicly helps me keep a more level perspective (or so I’d like to think).
As for Geass, I think that too was an issue of people taking things too seriously. The fandom there was much more deeply segmented into lulz camps and SRSBSNS camps and things in between, and of course trolls antagonize the SRS groups and the SRS groups go off on the people who are just watching for lulz and etc. None of that’d be a problem if people would just chill and remember that this is anime and the internets.
Really with the 00 issues, I feel like some of it’s coming as fallout from Geass (people being especially wary of Sunrise’s executive decisions/etc in addition to having a hard time getting used to a mildly more coherent narrative). I think a lot of the jumping on little things lately has been (possibly) an attempt to rekindle the same kind of attitude as we had when watching Geass, perhaps it’s a reaction to the perception that people are taking things too seriously (in a non-negative way–I don’t think this same type of sentiment would develop from genuine criticism/etc).
I don’t think the current situation is that terrible (and I don’t think it’s nearly as offputting to new people as say, the overly vocal fangirl segment attached to Gundam Wing, for example–I’m pretty damn understanding of fangirl idiocy but I still haven’t been able to get myself to watch it because of that), just characteristic of some issues in the anime community in general at the moment.
By: citrinitas668 on 2008/11/10
at 21:14
sumeragi?! what?! why!!!
DIE ANON!! BASTARDS!!
By: vthev on 2008/11/10
at 23:03
They’re just being fags. They’re the same people who think that Billy’s stalking of her when she was 15 and he was in his 20s wasn’t stalking but “love.”
By: citrinitas668 on 2008/11/11
at 00:18
Coming out of lurking to tell you to stop making me agree with you so much. Sad face.
The point about getting Saji’s moral highground complex out of the way early is pretty much exactly what I think. Seriously, I don’t mind heavily focusing on it if it means he won’t be lecturing the other CB members all season. He needs to get knocked down and built up again if he’s going to be in any way likeable, so we have to have one or two episodes to show this happen. Hell, I’m glad that he’s already thinking about protecting the Kataron members because it means he’s seeing the error of his ways. I also liked Tieria’s speech because it’s forcing Saji to take responsibilities for his actions.
/m/ seems to forget that it’s only episode 6 and they’ll get to other stuff such as the Innovators, Ali and whatnot later on. They’re far too paranoid it’s going to become Geass R2 part two, so they want to call that it sucks before it can actually ‘happen’. Season 1 Gundam 00 was a lot slower than it is this season, so I don’t get why they’re whining now. It’s why I keep considering waiting until the season is over, then downloading it in bulk and watching and judging it all for myself. It’s far too early to call how it’s going to go at this stage and /m/ needs to chill out. But anyway.
By: Trinfortune on 2008/11/11
at 05:50
Agreed. I do hate it when people whine about a show simply because one or two things aren’t going their way. There’s nothing in the world that everyone can agree on. People need to chill and just relax sometimes.
And this is probably a stupid n00b question, but what does /m/ stand for?
By: mangaka-chan on 2008/11/11
at 18:30
I love my passive-aggressive asshole /m/ teenagers. Budding ‘nice guys’, the whole lot of them.
By: Sumeragi Lee Noriega #zomgtripfagcode on 2008/11/11
at 20:36
@mangaka-chan: /m/ is the Mecha board on 4chan.
By: citrinitas668 on 2008/11/11
at 21:06
citrinitas!
rules 1 and 2!!!
THE PARTY VAN IS COMING TO GET YOU!
By: vthev on 2008/11/11
at 21:50
…..
Really, V, don’t use /b/ meme’s unless you’re positive you know how to use them properly (you don’t even visit /b/!)–”Rules 1 and 2″ are /b/ specific. And I’m not even gonna start on the party van….
By: citrinitas668 on 2008/11/11
at 22:19