Posted by: citrinitas668 | 2009/03/06

00 ep21 Xanatos Pileup!

Alright, so this came up on /m/ and I just realized that the way shit went down in 21’s a lot more interesting than it seemed at first. To start, a rundown of events (of interest to this post) COLOR CODED FOR EXTRA FABULOUS

Episode 18
[18-1] 4month timeskip: Regene is meeting with Wang
[18-2] Ribbons tells off Wang {Wang is no longer useful to Ribbons}
[18-3] Ribbons tells Regene  I SEE WAT U DID THERE
[18-4] Regene hands off the Veda-coords to Wang and Hong Long

Episode 19
[19-1] Nena makes Wang and Hong Long go boom
[19-2] Ribbons pimpslaps Regene; “You were too mischievous. …don’t do it again.” {but about what exactly?}

Episode 20
[20-1] HyponoRibbons talks to Louise 

Episode 21
[21-1] Wang, not dead.
[21-2] Ptolemy receives Wang’s message. Setsuna heads out to save her.
[21-3] Bushido and Louise are dispatched to the area. 
[21-4] Nena and Bad Haro find Wang and Hong Long
[21-5] Nena kills Hong Long; Bad Haro asks her if she’s going to pursue Wang; Nena stalls,confirming her pause with Regene.
[21-6] ”He’s here?{Regene was expecting Setsuna}
[21-7] Wang hands off the coordinates to Setsuna; she does not leave with him.
[21-8] Bushido arrives, challenges Setsuna to a duel.
[21-9] Wang tries to escape.
[21-10] Nena makes Wang go boom. “Your role is over.”
[21-11] Nena monologues her real intent to Bad Haro; Bad Haro announces YOU’RE FUCKED NOW, BITCH.
[21-12] Louise appears; kills Nena.
[21-13] Bushido and Setsuna in the fabulous sparkly world of QBW and GN Particles;He’s finally awakening.” {Regene was anticipating this}

And now for the fun part. There are several different threads running simultaneously and there are a couple spots where it’s not clear who knows what/whose keikaku is whose. So this might get confusing.

Fucking hell, 1550 words?

I’m gonna start with Nena because her actions are pretty easy to track since she’s not keikakuing on her own. The attack in 19-1 seems to be primarily self-motivated, but I suspect Nena went out on not terribly specific orders from Ribbons (something like: here’s your Gundam and here’s where Wang is, have fun). Nena fails to kill Wang here, this is not according to keikaku but of minimal consequence as Ribbons does not appear to be too concerned about it and just has Nena go after her again. In attempt #2, in 21-4 and so on, it’s worth noting that Nena’s got two ‘people’ with her this time, Bad Haro (Ribbons) and Regene. Given Bad Haro’s presence, presumably Ribbons is aware that Regene is there–and so I think we can conclude that Regene is probably there to supervise (and perhaps a side-motive for Ribbons is making an example of Wang in front of him/making him take part in her punishment).

The next, really really interesting item is that after killing Hong Long, Bad Haro (Ribbons) prods Nena to continue BUT Nena stalls and then confirms with Regene (“There’s no need [to go after her] right now. Right?” / “Yeah.”). So basically my thinking here is that Regene, who was expecting Setsuna (21-6), has her stall (which is not at all unlike Nena) long enough for Wang to hand off the coordinates to Setsuna.

Jumping ahead to follow the Nena-thread, Nena blows up Wang saying “Your role is over.” Which more or less confirms that she’s on orders from Ribbons here to take out Wang. Then of course Ribbons turns it around on her and takes her out. I suspect Ribbons actions here had less to do with what Nena said about not being all that loyal to the Inovators just then and more to do with cleaning up loose ends (Nena’s a loose cannon, she’s not  loyal and she’s not all that reliable, so for Ribbons she’s probably more trouble than she’s worth–he didn’t even bother giving her a new MS) and rewarding Louise. 

Now jumping to the Louise-thread. 20-1, Ribbons is a creepy fuck and has taken a particular interest in Louise, more than we had initially suspected–up until now it’s just seemed like Louise was another Wang (money) and his eyes in A-LAWS. In 21-3 it’s clear that since Ribbons is dispatching Louise and Bushido to the area, he knows a couple things 1) the location Wang sent Ptolemy and 2) the following people are/will be there: Setsuna, Wang + Hong Long, and Nena. And also it’s apparent that he was anticipating the Nena-Louise confrontation (although the precise timeline is not all that clear, you can make arguments for Ribbons dispatching them later along chronologically and therefore not having as much prior knowledge of the situation too). 

So anyway, my take on the Louise thing is that Ribbons has taken an uncommon interest in Louise and knowing that the one thing she wants more than anything is to avenge her parents, he orchestrates the revenge setup for her as a “present.” (He gives her Nena, in the Gundam that killed her parents and a huge, nearly unstoppable, top-of-the-line MS to off her with.) This also neatly illustrates how much of a dumbfuck Ribbons is when it comes to human psychology. Given his interest in Louise, I don’t think he quite realized what giving her vengeance would do to her and was genuinely trying to be “nice” if you could call it that (er, it’s meant as a reward or that’s how Ribbons sees it). 

Alright, now to directly address the Ribbons and Regene threads as best as I can. There are still a lot of ambiguities here so, yeah. Okay, so first Veda’s coordinates. Let us assume for the moment that they actually are Veda’s coordinates (because, well, they might not be and it could very easily be part of an elaborate keikaku we have yet to see). So in eps 18-19 we have a sequence of I SEE WAT U DID THERE – Coord hand-off – BITCH, BEST NOT BE STEPPING OUT OF LINE AGAIN. And I’ve got to wonder what the slap was about exactly. Given the sequence of events we’re made to assume that it’s about the Veda coordinates, but there’s enough ambiguity there that it could have been about any number of things (could even be Regene bullshitting the “Oh of course you’re the only one suited to the 00~” response).

Point here^ is that we don’t know if Ribbons knows about the coordinates or not. Which is fine really since we can justify his motives for going after Wang in two ways right now: a) he knows about the coordinates (perhaps not explicitly that they’re on a piece of paper/etc, but that she has info she’s not supposed to have) or b) Wang’s no longer useful and she’s starting to get uppity :. is a threat and should be dealt with. 

Alright, so from there we have Ribbons giving Nena the task of offing Wang because Ribbons likes to make people think they’re doing what they want to do when they’re really doing what he wants them to. Okay, so next Nena’s failed to kill Wang. I will suppose (alright, there’s gonna be a lot of supposition/assumptions after here) that during the time the message was waiting for Ptolemy to reboot, Ribbons intercepted it and sent his peeps to Wang. Since Nena didn’t finish the job last time, Ribbons sent along Regene to supervise, perhaps also as a loyalty test kind of thing (prove you’re not working with her by killing her kinda thing). Anyway, I don’t think Regene told Nena anything about his keikaku (so Nena wasn’t really “working for Regene” per-say, if that makes any sense–she’s doing his bidding but she doesn’t realize it’s not the same as Ribbons).

Now another option for how they got Wang’s location is simply that Regene had a hand in it (either she gave him her location in hopes of him helping her or Regene gave her the location or something like that and then Regene turns around and gives that to Ribbons).  Alright, anyway, point is Wang and Nena here are just tools for Ribbons’ and Regene’s respective keikakus, neither Regene nor Ribbons actually give a shit about either person in question in this particular gambit beyond their usefulness. Regene is using Wang to get the paper to Setsuna and Ribbons wants Wang dead, by Nena’s hand so he can then dispose of Nena and give Louise a present all at once (’cause Ribbons likes hitting several birds with a couple other birds in succession while making each bird think it threw itself into the other of it’s own volition). 

Anyway. Bushido is clearly related to both Ribbons’ keikaku but the reason hasn’t really been made clear yet (unless it’s just to kill/stall Setsuna, which is totally reasonable if we assume that he knows that Wang has info and that Setsuna’s coming to save her and then in the contingency (which actually happened) where Nena failed to kill her again and Setsuna got a chance to talk/retrieve the info he’d have do do something about that, right?) And Regene seems to have a particular interest in Setsuna’s becoming an Innovator, as if it’s part of his brilliant keikaku. 

Oh yeah, and because it’s fitting I’m just gonna quote someone from the thread in question on /m/:

>HURRR I CAN’T KEEP UP SO THE WRITING MUST BE BAD. NOW I’LL CALL THIS GUY A BUTTHURT 00FAG CAUSE I’M COOL

inb4  Nena/BAD WRITING shitstorm

[EDIT] Thinking some more about the Pimpslap-Wang gets blown up parallel. Dunno why I didn’t make the astoundingly obvious conclusion that they’re related events earlier. Anyway,I think  the parallel between the slap and Wang getting blown up essentially tells us that Ribbons knew Regene went to Wang again (violated his warning earlier) and then gave Nena the opportunity to blow her up. However, it’s uncertain how much Ribbons knows about Regene’s keikakuing there. Regene’s reaction is kind of telling, his crushed expression makes it seem like his whole keikaku hinged on Wang getting the note to CB and Ribbons fucked him over. 

Anyway, following that, the Regene-loyalty-test thing seems to make sense (maybe Regene even volunteered to go after Wang with Nena as a show of loyalty on his own), since under those circumstances Regene needs to prove his loyalty in order to be free enough to move around. 

And @ Anon or something, just doing this here because it’s related/I’m too lazy to go respond separately in the comments right now. I disagree about Nena intentionally not killing Wang. I don’t think she was ever in on any of the plots and was just being used by Ribbons and Regene. She blew up their ship and for all intents and purposes they should have died, but they didn’t. (And just for the record, I’m not trying to start an argument here, you made some interesting points, but I just happen to see it differently–I don’t really think there’s enough information available right now that doesn’t require heavy speculation/extrapolation to debate who’s more “correct” so let’s just agree to disagree.)


Responses

  1. So much to take in at once.

    I find it hard to express myself properly when it comes to explaining my thoughts on an Anime series, so I just wanted to leave a comment to say grats for being able to write entries like this so well. @_@

  2. The thing about Ribbons sending Regene, especially as a “loyalty test”, actually makes a lot of sense. Hopefully, we’ll eventually see if that’s the case.

  3. I was thinking along those lines as well but with some differences. Even with a fail unit as Throne Drei there is no way that Nena could have failed to kill Wang and Hong Long in episode 19 unless it was all “just as planned” to begin with. She had locked all controls and not even the escape shuttles were working. Hong Long confirmed this and even told Wang about it. So only way Hong and Wang could have escaped was if Nena made it possible for them to launch the escape shuttles and didn’t shoot them when they escaped in it.

    So, have pretty much confirmed it as a fact that Nena wanted Wang and Hong to escape you have to ask yourself why?

    In episode 11 Nena commented on that Wang didn’t know what was REALLY going on. Having just found out about Ali, Nena would have had more reason to look further into what was going on. She probably knew that there was a power-struggle between Ribbons and Regene and this is why she felt so smug and so superior. Her plan to avenge her brothers probably had something to do with trying to play out the two against eachother.

    So Ribbons using the Purple Haro sees what it sees and knows about Regene’s involvement. Nena not knowing about this has already been in talks with Ribbons and delivered information to him he already knows about. He tells her to kill Wang and she decides to do so. Meanwhile Regene orders Nena not to kill Wang but let her escape. Nena understands the power-struggle and decides to see how it plays out.

    Ribbons finds out Wang has escaped and sends Nena to do the job properly. He sends Regene with her and tells him he is there to supervise it and prove his loyalty.

    Nena knows Wang is going to deliver the coordinates to Setsuna so when she doesn’t follow Wang she gives Regene a knowing look and asks him if it is okay to not hunt down Wang right away. Regene having the same idea as Nena gives her the go ahead. Nena goes back to her Drei and waits for Wang’s shuttle. She had already figured there was at least a 60% chance Wang wouldn’t go with Setsuna but try to escape on her own. When Wang does so it just confirms what kind of person she is. Thus Wang sealed her fate and spit on her only chance for true salvation. If Wang had chosen not to act in selfishness and gone with Setsuna to truly help Celestial Being then she hadn’t been killed. And so on… So I guess in a way or at least in my mind, Nena letting Wang escape was Nena’s way of giving Wang one last chance at redemption. (This however is just speculation and most people would probably disagree with me)

    Then we have Nena’s revealing her intentions (probably not for the first time) and Ribbons having already sent Louise there can’t help but troll her and reveal he “knew all along” everything she as doing.


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